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"I was addicted to making money." Confessions of a Chronic Card Skimmer Ep. 164: Oak Cliff Swipers

Guest: Nathan MichaelOctober 7, 2025
"I was addicted to making money." Confessions of a Chronic Card Skimmer 💳 Ep. 164: Oak Cliff Swipers

Episode Summary

AI-generated · Mar 2026

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This episode introduces Nathan Michael, a self-proclaimed "ringleader" of a sprawling credit card skimming and fraud operation based out of Oak Cliff, Dallas, who candidly shares his chaotic life story, detailing his journey from childhood trauma to becoming "addicted to making money." Jack Rhysider navigates Nathan’s incredibly complex and often contradictory narrative, which spans decades of criminal activity, drug addiction, and multiple prison sentences.

Nathan recounts his origin story, starting with being put on Ritalin at age six and later turning to crime after being scammed while selling Diablo II items online, deciding that "either you're getting scammed or you're the scammer. Might as well be the scammer." He details a progression of schemes, from buying unreliable credit card "dumps" to innovating new fraud methods. This included leveraging his mother-in-law to manually punch in stolen card numbers at Walmart to buy $30,000 worth of gift cards in a single day, and later placing skimmers on gas pumps and ATMs. His operation escalated dramatically when his brother's girlfriend, Elizabeth, skimmed hundreds of fresh credit cards at a Chicken Express drive-thru, leading Nathan to hack his own brother to access these valuable dumps.

He developed a sophisticated network, employing dozens of "shoppers" to use custom-printed cards (featuring their photos to bypass ID checks) to acquire high-value merchandise like TVs and laptops. These goods were then resold, often to Mexican cartels for easy border transport, netting Nathan claimed profits of $5,000 cash daily. His life was a blur of drug use, multiple relationships, and constant evasion, culminating in two federal prison sentences totaling approximately 13 years. One arrest involved an 8-hour armed standoff with SWAT, tanks, and snipers, where Nathan, high on drugs, negotiated his peaceful surrender.

Throughout his story, Nathan reflects on profound personal tragedies, including the death of his sister at 13 in a drunk driving accident, which he attributes to sparking his lifelong drug addiction. He also shares the immense pain of his father's death and "something happening to his kids" while he was incarcerated. Despite his history of recidivism and admitting he's "still struggling," Nathan now claims to be living ethically, pursuing redemption by aiming to help at-risk children and even comically proposing to "jailbreak robots" to save humanity.

👤 Who Should Listen

  • Anyone interested in the intricate logistics and evolution of credit card fraud and other cybercrimes.
  • Listeners curious about the psychology of addiction, particularly non-substance related addictions like money, and its impact on life choices.
  • Individuals interested in raw, unvarnished true crime stories that delve into the real-world consequences of a life of crime.
  • People seeking insights into the impact of childhood trauma, environment, and mental health issues on adult criminal behavior.
  • Those exploring themes of redemption, second chances, and the profound challenges of building a new life after extensive incarceration.

🔑 Key Takeaways

  1. 1.Nathan Michael's criminal career began after being repeatedly scammed while selling in-game items, leading him to embrace the role of a scammer.
  2. 2.His early fraud schemes included exploiting a Walmart policy with his mother-in-law to manually enter stolen credit card numbers, acquiring up to $30,000 in gift cards in one day.
  3. 3.Nathan scaled his operation by deploying credit card skimmers on gas pumps and ATMs, and later by having his brother's girlfriend skim cards from customers at a Chicken Express drive-thru.
  4. 4.He developed custom-printed credit cards with shoppers' photos to circumvent ID checks, building a network of dozens of people to make purchases.
  5. 5.The operation involved a complex supply chain, with resold goods (including TVs and laptops) being transported across the border by Mexican cartels for cash.
  6. 6.Nathan served approximately 13 years in federal prison across two sentences, including one instance where he engaged in an 8-hour armed standoff with law enforcement.
  7. 7.He attributes his lifelong struggles with drug addiction to early experiences, including being prescribed Ritalin at age six and the traumatic death of his sister when he was 13.
  8. 8.Despite his extensive criminal history, Nathan now states he lives ethically, seeking to help children and contribute positively to society, even while admitting to ongoing personal struggles.

💡 Key Concepts Explained

Credit Card Skimmer

A device designed to fit over existing credit card readers (e.g., at gas pumps, ATMs) to secretly capture magnetic stripe data when a card is swiped. Nathan and his crew used these to collect fresh credit card information directly from victims.

Credit Card Dumps

Stolen credit card data, typically including track one and track two information (account number, expiration date, cardholder name, service code). Nathan initially bought dumps but found them unreliable; he later generated his own from skimmed cards, realizing "fresh" dumps were more effective.

Engaging in Criminal Activity (Texas Legal Enhancement)

A legal enhancement in Texas that escalates felony charges when an individual is caught committing a crime with two or more other people, effectively treating it as a conspiracy. This enhancement significantly increased Nathan's second prison sentence from a state jail felony (max two years) to a first-degree felony.

⚡ Actionable Takeaways

  • Wiggle credit card readers at gas pumps, ATMs, and point-of-sale terminals to check for skimmers, as recommended by the host based on Nathan's experiences.
  • Be cautious about buying digital goods or gift cards from unofficial sources, as they may be acquired through fraud or be "dumps" that have been resold multiple times and are unlikely to work.
  • Recognize that sophisticated fraud operations like Nathan's leverage various psychological tactics and social engineering, such as creating convincing fake IDs with photos or using disguises, to bypass security measures.
  • Understand the potential for personal trauma and early drug exposure to contribute to a cycle of addiction and criminal behavior, as highlighted by Nathan's narrative.
  • Educate yourself on the legal consequences of engaging in or facilitating criminal activity, as charges like "engaging in criminal activity" in Texas can significantly enhance sentences beyond the dollar amount of the theft.

⏱ Timeline Breakdown

00:00Host introduces Nathan's story, received via Twitter DM, noting explicit content warning.
01:01Host explains his vetting process for guests, requiring police reports to ensure stories are concluded and legitimate.
02:02Host describes the chaotic and difficult process of scheduling an interview with Nathan.
04:04Nathan describes his fast-paced brain, sitting with five computer screens and a bong, comparing his mind to "fireworks constantly exploding."
06:07Nathan reveals his first name, and the host identifies him as the "ringleader" of a criminal enterprise.
07:09Nathan recounts being put on Ritalin at age six and attempting to stab a kid on the first day of kindergarten.
08:10Nathan's origin story: getting scammed on PayPal while selling Diablo II items, leading him to choose the path of a scammer.
09:10He describes growing up in Oak Cliff, Dallas, a "rough area" marked by police chases, gunshots, and exposure to crime.
10:11Nathan dropped out of school, claiming he was "pimping hoes" before becoming fixated on computers as a means to make money.
12:14He and his brother initially made money selling in-game currencies for video games, often using stolen PayPal accounts.
13:14Nathan discovered chat rooms where people sold credit card "dumps" but found them unreliable due to algorithms and prior usage.
14:16His mother-in-law suggested a scheme at Walmart: using a demagnetized card to force manual entry of stolen credit card numbers.
15:16Nathan claims to have acquired $30,000 worth of gift cards in one day from Walmart using this method.
16:17Walmart eventually caught them, and his mother was also implicated by using one of the stolen gift cards.
18:17Nathan started an "OG's crew" with global contacts, including Nigerian 419 scammers, and bought skimmers and MSRs from a Chinese supplier.
20:19He describes placing skimmers on gas pumps and ATMs, although acquiring PINs was a challenge with older technology.
21:19Nathan successfully installed a skimmer at his local gas station, collecting 83 cards in 3-4 days, which he initially hesitated to use.
22:19He reveals his intent to "crack the code" and generate credit card dumps by analyzing the sequence of collected card numbers.
24:24The "Chicken Express" chapter begins: his brother's girlfriend, Elizabeth, started skimming cards from drive-thru customers.
27:26Nathan, frustrated by his brother's hesitation, used some "banger" (working) skimmed cards, buying $3,000 worth of items.
29:27Nathan describes becoming "addicted to making money" and admits to hacking his brother to access his stash of skimmed cards.
30:27He details printing custom credit cards with shoppers' photos using a Fargo printer to make them appear legitimate and bypass ID checks.
31:27Nathan recruited "shoppers" from his neighborhood, offering cash in exchange for goods purchased with stolen cards.
33:29He contrasts his troubled past with his children's lives, noting they are now graduating high school and attending college.
34:31Nathan describes his father's law-abiding life and likens his own upbringing in the hood to being "in a tank full of sharks."
35:31The full supply chain of his operation is explained, from skimming to card printing, shopper networks, and resale to Mexican cartels.
36:33Nathan taught his "shoppers" techniques for avoiding suspicion, such as wearing disguises or constantly looking at their phone.
39:36He claims to have made $5,000 cash profit per day at the height of his operation.
40:36A long list of law enforcement agencies involved in investigating his operations across Texas is read out.
41:38Police raided his home at 6 AM, and Nathan describes seeing a gun pointed at his 5-year-old daughter during the raid.
42:39Police found drugs, stolen motorcycles, and over 1,000 cards; Nathan called himself a "modern-day Robin Hood."
43:40Police left without arresting him, but he avoided losing his luxury cars by registering them in other people's names.
44:40Nathan attributes his lifelong drug use to being prescribed methamphetamines (Ritalin) at age six.
45:41After the raid, Nathan found a hidden $20,000 cash stash and intensified his criminal activities while on the run.
47:42His brother was caught using a stolen credit card to get $200 worth of quarters from an arcade machine.
48:43The feds arrested his brother; Nathan recounts the trauma of his sister's death at 13 in a drunk driving accident, which led to his initial drug use.
51:46The host questions Nathan's claim of being sober for five months when Nathan admits to having a bong in front of him.
52:46Nathan describes kidnapping Elizabeth, his brother's wife, breaking her phone, threatening her, and introducing her to methamphetamines.
53:47The indictment listed Nathan, his brother, and Elizabeth for credit card theft from Chicken Express and Walmart.
54:48While on the run, Nathan consulted a "brujera" (witch doctor) and got "Oak Cliff Swipers" (OCS) tattoos with his crew.
55:51Nathan's second arrest involved an 8-hour armed standoff with SWAT, a tank, snipers, flashbangs, and tear gas at his cousin's house.
57:54High and emotional during the standoff, Nathan negotiated with a Secret Service agent, demanding to speak to his children.
60:57Nathan surrendered peacefully after eight hours, and the Secret Service honored their word, allowing him to call his kids and smoke cigarettes.
61:57He faced numerous charges, including a false child pornography allegation that his lawyer's investigation disproved.
62:58Nathan's neighbor, Corey Davis, who was present during the initial raid, became an informant under pressure.
63:59Nathan lists multiple official diagnoses: ADHD, dyslexia, intermittent explosive anger disorder, PTSD, extreme anxiety, and bipolar I & II.
65:01Elizabeth served two years, his brother four years; Nathan pleaded guilty to federal charges.
66:01He reflects on his abandoned tech career, having worked for Southwestern Bell, Microsoft, and Earthlink, which he "fucked off because of drugs."
67:02Nathan claims to have hacked Earthlink, posting confidential emails on CJB.net, which caused their stock to drop significantly.
68:04He was sentenced to 4 years and 3 months in federal prison for his first conviction, serving the full term.
69:05After release, he accumulated seven parole violations in the first week, including drug use and driving a "stolen" rental car.
70:07He explains his refusal to reform in prison, citing "inhumane" conditions and responding like an "animal."
71:08Nathan describes his ability to attract women easily ("pose and get chose") and being in a hotel with "three different businesses in three different rooms."
72:09He quickly returned to carding, using Chili's kiosks and Home Depot, despite having served time.
73:11His second arrest occurred when an accomplice, who Nathan now believes was a snitch, ran a red light past three police cars.
74:11Nathan disposed of his cards before being caught, but police found swiping equipment and receipts from Home Depot, leading to his arrest.
75:12He was sentenced to 8 years in prison for a $2,200 stolen card swipe at Home Depot, enhanced by "engaging in criminal activity."
78:15During his second prison term, Nathan's father died and "something happened to his kids," fulfilling his "two worst fears."
79:16He served all 8 years plus an additional four months for a violation, totaling about 13 years of incarceration.
80:17Nathan laments missing his children's entire childhoods and the resentment he still faces from his middle daughter.
81:19He expresses a desire to "save the world," "help kids," and "jailbreak robots" as part of his claimed redemption.
82:21Nathan recounts multiple near-death experiences, including an overdose-induced coma and choking on vomit while huffing chemicals as a teenager.
84:26He describes surviving a potential prison riot by making "vampire stakes" (knives) with other inmates.
85:28Nathan asserts his recidivism rate is "pretty low" after three years out, finding value in freedom, health, and loved ones, despite continued struggles.

💬 Notable Quotes

"Either you're getting scammed or you're the scammer. Might as well be the scammer." [08:10]
"You ever been addicted to making money?" [29:27]
"You're in a tank full of sharks. So, either you become a shark or you get eaten." [35:31]
"I'm not doing good. I'm still struggling. You know what I'm saying? But I'm free. I got my freedom. I got my health and I got the people that love me around me." [85:28]

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